>From a chemical standpoint <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> ammonium bi-fluoride is just a dangerous as Hydrofluoric acid. As a matter of fact </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> ammonium bi-fluoride decomposes to form Hydrofluoric acid...So be just as careful.  For a chemical breakdown on </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> ammonium bi-fluoride see </span><a target="_top" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_bifluoride">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_bifluoride</a><div>
<a target="_top" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_bifluoride"></a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Mike Marsoun <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a target="_top" href="mailto:nulifesc@bigpond.com">nulifesc@bigpond.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff">Further to what steve said, you can use Klenztone 4 and add 4 oz per gallon of a neutral cleaner to help it lay flat (not bead) apply with a pump sprayer and allow to dwell10 mins, go back and neutralize and rinse without stepping on it. Surface must be totally clean before starting. This is how the anti_slip guys do it and the same chemicals. It is not rocket science and you can get 3.50+ per sf to do it. Make a lot of tests starting with 20 percent KS4, goal is little to no visible difference but huge difference in slip resistence which is easy to do with ammonium bi-flouride. Stay away from hydroflouric, it is not necessary and can be VERY painful. Don&#39;t try it if you are not 100 percent confident. What color is the tile? you will be doing a controlled frosting and it will lighten a dark color tile slightly. If anything goes wrong, aluminum oxide buffing will most likely bring it back.  <p>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Ammonium bi Floride will etch ceramic glaze.  
test it on a scrap pièce of tile. and have them sign off on it. 
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Stephen Webb</font></div>
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  <div style="font:10pt arial;background:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> 
  <a title="shane@loveyourstone.com" href="mailto:shane@loveyourstone.com" target="_blank">Shane 
  Chow</a> </div>
  <div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com" href="mailto:sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com" target="_blank">Restoration and Maintenance</a> 
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  <div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 25, 2011 4:28 
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  <div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> RE: [sccpartners] anti slip 
  treatment?</div>
  <div><br></div>i never practice on a customers property unless their is no 
  other way, and im not sure why he wants to use hydrofloric and i am aware that 
  it is dangerous to use and be around, but back to the question has anyone ever 
  used the anti slip acid products and with what results, was it profitable or 
  not worth the time this property has 11,000 sq ft of tile to do so i am 
  interested in feed back on anyone that has used these products, and we always 
  do our homework and testing before we start any new service but just starting 
  the ball rolling on informing myself.<br><br>thx<br><br>shane<br><br>
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  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Fred Hueston <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a target="_top" href="mailto:fhueston@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhueston@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
  <blockquote style="border-left:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid;margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">I agree with John stay away from HF
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    <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:07 PM, John Freitag <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a target="_top" href="mailto:jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com" target="_blank">jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

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      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">Shane,</span></p>
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      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">I 
      would stay away from the Hydrofluoric  acids, these are dangerous 
      chemicals and if this get on your shin it will burn ,  but even more 
      it can and will attack your bones. If you use it be sure to protect 
      yourself. There are products on the market that are not hydrofluoric. 
      Stonecare Central has one and Grout perfect has one both are much safer 
      than the Hydrofluoric. If you decide to use it make sure you have full 
      protection for yourself and your technicians and if there is ANY stainless 
      steel in the home you MUST protect it. </span></p>
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      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt"> Shane Chow [mailto:<a target="_top" href="mailto:shane@loveyourstone.com" target="_blank">shane@loveyourstone.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 
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      <p class="MsoNormal">hello all,</p>
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      <div><br><br>i got a call today asking for us to apply an anti slip 
      treatment to ceramic tile using a hydrofloric acid product does anyone 
      have any experience with this, i did not know their was such a thing out 
      their this customer has done a little research and was asking some 
      questions about it, <br><br>thanks for all the good forum 
      discussions<br><br>shane</div></div>
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