If you want to spend the money you can buy a Kaivac,,these machines are great for pick up and cleaning the grout lines. Iknow a company in upstate NY that has several of these and they work great. This is especially true if you are doing large projects<br>
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<div>Thanks for your replies.  Right now we  place a scrub brush attachment on my machine when it comes to to pick up the slurry. And we scrub and rinse @ least two time. But yes we do a large area before we remove the powder. Will next try a much smaller area  on my next job!</div>

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<div><span>RK</span><br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 7/21/09, John Freitag <i>&lt;<a target="_top" href="mailto:jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com" target="_blank">jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com</a>&gt;</i></b> wrote:<br></div>
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<div class="im"><br>Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Honing Powders.<br></div>To: &quot;Restoration and Maintenance&quot; &lt;<a target="_top" href="mailto:sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com" target="_blank">sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com</a>&gt;<br>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">My experience with honing powders has not been a problem. The key when using honing powders, polishing powders, or any powders is to make sure you are flushing the grout lines once you have finished the honing process. </span>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">By flushing the line what I mean is once you have finished a section of floor run over that area again with more water and the honing powders should flush out of the grout lines.</span> 
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">What most people do that gets them in trouble is they try to do too large of any area before cleaning up and the honing powders and the slurry start to dry in the grout lines this causing  a problem. </span>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">I also recommend when ever using a powder that you have with you a soft scrub brush, grout brush on a handle and lightly scrub the grout line before vacuuming up the water and slurry / honing powders etc. this will remove the excess powders and slurry etc. from the grout lines and actually help clean the grout. </span>
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<p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">My suggestions is to control the size of the area you are working in and make sure the slurry etc does not start to dry before you start to vac it up. </span>
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<p><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a target="_top" href="mailto:fhueston@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhueston@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a target="_top" href="mailto:fhueston@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhueston@gmail.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Fred<br>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">lighter grout can be from honing powder residue or it can that the grout is discolored.  There is not a lot you can do if that is the original color.</p></div>
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<p>On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Stone &amp; Grout Meister, LLC &lt;<a target="_top" href="http://us.mc1101.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mail@stoneandgroutmeister.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">mail@stoneandgroutmeister.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
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<div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Look at Prism made by Polyblend …….. Just did 2000 sq ft of tumbled unfiled travertine color is perfect ! You should see the installers here, what a joke! I’m re-grouting 200 sq ft now, the installer used a bag of grout the customer had stored in her garage for 12 years. I asked the installer why he used a 12 year old bag of grout with a shelf Life of 2 years or less. He replied “it’s just grout, It’s not like you’re going to eat it.” The customer suggested he use it, and return the bag he bought to save money.</span></div>

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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 20, 2009 9:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Restoration and Maintenance<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [sccpartners] Honing Powders.</span></div></div></div>
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<div><span lang="EN-CA" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Not much, grout has to be mixed extra properly.</span></div>
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<div><span lang="EN-CA" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">If you open a bag of grout and look at its contents along with the cement you will see little tiny colored clusters. That’s the powdered dies they use. It’s not totally mixed so unless the installer mixes an entire bag at a time, you cannot get a consistent color.</span></div>

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<div><span lang="EN-CA" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Now imagine applying grout for the first time on limestone installation, it dries so fast there is almost no way they can pull a full bag unless they have an assembly type of system where one guy applies , one guy cleans and another follows. I have rarely seen this!  Now imagine a larger area, you are suppose to dry mix all the bags together as well. </span></div>

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<div><span lang="EN-CA" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Most mix a small amount at a time.  Also if the installer doesn’t use the exact same amount of water, coloration will further be affected.</span></div>
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<div><span lang="EN-CA" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">And when you clean up the grout residue during installation, you should clean it using a consistent amount of water on the sponge as well as keeping the water clean.  What they are asking to do is never done especially during a commercial job, so it’s almost normal to get shades of whatever color they used.</span></div>

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<div><span lang="EN-CA" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">Below is a few lines of what is written on a bag of grout</span></div>
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<div><span lang="EN-CA" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">2.1 For best results, have the same person mix all of the grout.</span></div>
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<div><span lang="EN-CA" style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt">2.2 Before mixing the grout with water, dry-blend the product</span></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt">With a lot of limestone in homes or other honed surfaces, we frequently use honing powders. No matter how thorough we are in cleaning the grout lines, some always end up with some grout lighter or different color from the rest of grout.  Why is this? What can be done to prevent or correct this problem?</p>
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