Mike,
I don’t totally disagree with your solution, but I thing you
miss lead a customer by doing a band aid on this problem. The problem is
probably going to get worse as time goes on and I would go down the road of
fixing the problem by tearing out and using a moisture membrane between the
tile and the stone.
John E. Freitag
President/Director
The Stone and Tile School
Office 407-567-7652
Cell 407-615-0134
jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com
From: Mike Marsoun
[mailto:nulifesc@bigpond.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:17 PM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Question on spalling limestone
I have a “band aid” approach. Since the problem is from
hydrostatic pressure, if you patch w/ epoxy it will just pop out, rather quickly.
So, you can mix-match some un-sanded grout colors, or use stone patching
compounds (Jahn Mortars) apply by overfilling then sand in flat. This will
allow the stone to breathe at these problem areas. Of course the shine will not
be there so it is not as good of an option on polished stone as it is on honed.
From: John Freitag
[mailto:jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:46 AM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Question on spalling limestone
Lorne,
I agree with Fred once the floor begins to spall there is very
little you can do , recommend the same as Fred said tear it out and
replace it. If they replace the stone the next install, if the
moisture is in the slab I would set the stone in epoxy and would consider using
a water proof membrane.
John E. Freitag
President/Director
The Stone and Tile School
Office 407-567-7652
Cell 407-615-0134
jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com
From: fhueston@gmail.com
[mailto:fhueston@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Dr Fred
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:12 AM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Question on spalling limestone
lorne
once the stone starts spalling
like that there is very little that can be done. My advice would be to tear it
out.
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:03 AM, <lorne@fabracleenstoneandtilecare.com>
wrote:
I have to figure out how to minimize the pictures I have,
but until then... I saw a sun room that had constantly flooded in the beg. of
the summer. They fixed the issue but then the white appeared and they only
called now. Half the floor has bad spalling and I was wondering if there are
options besides tearing it out?
-Lorne
Fabra Cleen
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: "John Freitag"
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:08:56 -0400
To: Restoration and Maintenance<sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Silicone Sealer
Joe,
There are several things I will
comment on, first usually a good alkaline stripper will remove most of the seal
that may still be on the grout. If you are seeing a seal on the grout you may have
something other than a silicone sealer. You may have an epoxy or polyurethane
sealer on the grout. In these cases you going to need something stronger than a
Alkaline striper and will probably need a methylamine based stripper. Or the
Beanie Doo product I’ve been told works fairly. One other way to check to see
if the seal on topical or not place some acid on the grout to see what happens
, if nothing happens it probably still coated , unless it an epoxy grout .
If you are going to clean and reseal
with an impregnating seal and there is no epoxy or polyurethane seal on the
grout , then go in clean the tile and the grout and re-seal.
That being said, the grout over
time will get dirty again, my next recommendation would be to ColorSeal the grout
using the Grout Perfect Grout coloring system.
This does several things:
1. Give the grout a new look
2. The customer can change the color if
they wish
3. Eliminate the inconsistency in the grout
when you only clean ( some areas will clean up better then other)
4. Make the cleaning by the customer a much
easier process.
If you are not currently doing
Grout coloring services I HIGHLY recommend you start. Just as stone chemicals
the grout coloring chemicals are not created the same, I have tried several
products on the market and found the Grout Perfect product to be the best in
coverage, the easiest to apply and the easiest to clean up.
Currently in our restoration
company we are doing 25 to 30 % of our business Grout color sealing services.
If you are already in the customers home selling your marble services why not
sell your grout services for the ceramic tile?
John
E. Freitag
President/Director
The Stone and Tile School
Office 407-567-7652
Cell 407-615-0134
jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dr Fred <fhueston@stoneandtilepros.com>
To: Restoration and Maintenance <sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 5:20 am
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Silicone Sealer
Joe,
its hard to tell if its silcone or not, but
place some water on the grout and see if it absorbs,,if it doesnt it is sealed.
try striping first with a good stripper and retest.
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Stone & Grout Meister <mail@stoneandgroutmeister.com>
wrote:
I'm getting ready to clean and seal about 400
sq ft of ceramic floor tile. The grout appears to have a sealer on it, in some
areas the sealer has broken down. I think the sealer is a silicone base. Is
their a quick and easy way to determine if it is a silicone sealer? How long
does a silicone sealer last under normal foot traffic in a residential setting
using the proper cleaning products compared to a penetrating sealer? Could a
fluoropolymer penetrating sealer be applied to the grout without stripping the
silicone sealer? Does anyone know of a silicone sealer that I could buy off the
shelf at a big box store? Thanks......
Joe Walters
Stone & Grout Meister, LLC
Tel: 505-890-3835
Cell: 505-859-0196
Fax: 866-920-2135
mail@stoneandgroutmeister.co
www.stoneandgroutmeister.com
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