Hi John, this was a long time ago... I was activating the product correctly. We did several thousand sf each session, so I was working with gallons. Cleaning was with Klenztone 2 which was mopped on, the first rinse was with approx a quart of soda ash in a 5 gal bucket of water. This balanced the effluent so we could put it into the sewer. The next rinse was with just a tiny bit, like a couple of tablespoons of soda ash. Each was vacuumed. I would frequently wet and smell the stone to make sure it was clean of effluent. We would let it dry about 18 hours. I applied 2 coats with a hvlp, don't think we diluted the sealer. I remember the stone darkened, still have the photos somewhere, from a hard rain as much of it was open to the sky, and it did not lighten back up the entire time I was there, this had me very worried. Anyway, long time ago and I was punch drunk most of the job as we had a night crew and a day crew, I was supervising the cleaning and doing all the sealing, so the memory might be off. Could be so many things, I never personally saw it after we left, the GM may have been exaggerating what he said, or did not know what he was looking at. Sure wish they had extractors back then... I don't feel that textured stone ever gets fully clean without pressure.

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From: "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:38:13 -0500
To: Restoration and Maintenance<sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Sealer

Mike,

 

A couple of questions .

1.       When you were mixing the catalyst were you measuring it out or just adding the entire bottle of catalyst to the gallon of sealer ? if you are not measuring the catalyst the product be over catalyzed and could have caused your flaking problem

2.       I never recommend mixing more than 1 quart at a time, this make sure the pot life is good until it all used.

3.       Surface prep, if the surface is not at a neutral state then the product could flake or fail.

4.       If the stone was previously sealed with an impregnating seal and the seal wasn’t totally removed this also could cause problems.

5.       Application, I used a garden pump up sprayer to spray a thin layer of material on the stone then using a short nap roller go over the area to make sure I have an even layer of seal.

6.       Then to assure I have no roller overlap lines I use a push broom and lightly brush over the seal this helps level out the sealer and remove all overlap lines.

 

I know that franchise in Hawaii has used their version of  this seal on thousands of sq ft  and I never received any reports of failure.

 

It would be interesting to see what may have caused these problems you had on this job

 

 

 

John E. Freitag

President/Director

The Stone and Tile School

Office 407-567-7652

Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

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www.thestoneandtileschool.com

 

 

 

From: Mike Marsoun [mailto:nulifesc@bigpond.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:38 PM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Sealer

 

John, Did you use an HVLP? I found that to be a hassle, I bought a pressure pot type with an extension for floors. Also that it had to be catalyzed, a lot of waste as your remaining sealer could not be used later. I agree, if you are going to use a coating, and sometimes you have to, this is the best. I did a 36,000 hotel in Maui about 10 years ago and spoke to the GM some time later, he said it all flaked off. Can’t remember if I diluted it. So I still wonder about the breathability.  I love the Stone Hardener 2 from RJSC.

 

From: John Freitag [mailto:jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:59 AM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Sealer

 

Georgia,

 

The StoneLoc is really a coating, the unique thing about this seal is that it a water / poly based sealer that allows vapors to transfer through the sealer and will not allow staining or spills to penetrate through the seal.

 

I’ve applied thousands of sq ft of a similar product call InterLoc , this product is a product that I used when working in that franchise. The inventor of the StoneLoc products is the same inventor of the InterLok product.

 

This product work great on flamed granite and I’ve used it on brick pavers at the mouse house in Orlando years ago approximately 25,000 sq.  this product is a bit pricy to use on paver but the protection

was great.

 

The  Stoneloc product does require you to follow direction, It’s a must. The surface must be PH balance prior to applying the seal.

 

For more information check out  Richard James  chemical  if you call speak to Katrine she can give you all the scoop, tell her I referred  you  to her.

 

 

John E. Freitag

President/Director

The Stone and Tile School

Office 407-567-7652

Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

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www.thestoneandtileschool.com

 

 

 

 

 

From: rivera.gm@gmail.com [mailto:rivera.gm@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Georgia Rivera
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:10 PM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Sealer

 

Hi Mike,

I am just a reader in this thread but I was wondering what you meant by it is a coating even though they say it is not.  I am not familiar with this product.  Why do they say it is not a coating if it really is?  Could it be harmful to the surface or to the restoration pro?  Is this a product that requires time to play with to avoid a sticky mess?

:)
Georgia

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Mike Marsoun <nulifesc@bigpond.com> wrote:

Just make sure the floor is real dry when you apply because stone loc is a coating, even tho they say it is not. Make sure there will b no water vapors later on

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From: "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com>

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:02:00 -0500

To: Restoration and Maintenance<sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>

Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Sealer

 

Stephen,

 

For the flamed granite I prefer the StoneLoc product from Richard James Chemical. This product will protect the stone from just about anything, and has a natural look when applied.

 

John E. Freitag

President/Director

The Stone and Tile School

Office 407-567-7652

Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

schoollogo

 

www.thestoneandtileschool.com

 

 

 

From: Stephen Webb [mailto:stephen@newlifemarblerestoration.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:54 AM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: [sccpartners] Sealer

 

Hey All, seasons greetings. Considering the abuse and maintenance what would you recommend for sealing flamed granite interior/exterior floor of a restaurant? They do not  want it coated or enhanced. Thank you

Stephen Webb
280-7387
www.newlifemarblerestoration.com


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