Again GREAT ADVISE Fred 

 

 

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From: Fred Hueston [mailto:fhueston@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 8:35 AM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] anti slip treatment?

 

Also forget to mention when Ammonium bi-fluoride is mixed with water in forms hydrofluoric acid. this is one of my pet peeves when companies claim there products don't contain hydrofluoric acid. They just put on the directions to add water to these products and bingo  you get hydrofluoric acid.  Please dont get me wrong,these products work for slip resistance but you must take extreme care not to get it on your skin or on any nearby glass or metal.

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Fred Hueston <fhueston@gmail.com> wrote:

From a chemical standpoint  ammonium bi-fluoride is just a dangerous as Hydrofluoric acid. As a matter of fact  ammonium bi-fluoride decomposes to form Hydrofluoric acid...So be just as careful.  For a chemical breakdown on  ammonium bi-fluoride see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_bifluoride

 

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Mike Marsoun <nulifesc@bigpond.com> wrote:

Further to what steve said, you can use Klenztone 4 and add 4 oz per gallon of a neutral cleaner to help it lay flat (not bead) apply with a pump sprayer and allow to dwell10 mins, go back and neutralize and rinse without stepping on it. Surface must be totally clean before starting. This is how the anti_slip guys do it and the same chemicals. It is not rocket science and you can get 3.50+ per sf to do it. Make a lot of tests starting with 20 percent KS4, goal is little to no visible difference but huge difference in slip resistence which is easy to do with ammonium bi-flouride. Stay away from hydroflouric, it is not necessary and can be VERY painful. Don't try it if you are not 100 percent confident. What color is the tile? you will be doing a controlled frosting and it will lighten a dark color tile slightly. If anything goes wrong, aluminum oxide buffing will most likely bring it back.

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:04:29 -1000

To: Restoration and Maintenance<sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>

ReplyTo: "Restoration and Maintenance" <sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>

Subject: RE: [sccpartners] anti slip treatment?

 

Ammonium bi Floride will etch ceramic glaze.  test it on a scrap pièce of tile. and have them sign off on it.

Stephen Webb

----- Original Message -----

From: Shane Chow

Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 4:28 PM

Subject: RE: [sccpartners] anti slip treatment?

 

i never practice on a customers property unless their is no other way, and im not sure why he wants to use hydrofloric and i am aware that it is dangerous to use and be around, but back to the question has anyone ever used the anti slip acid products and with what results, was it profitable or not worth the time this property has 11,000 sq ft of tile to do so i am interested in feed back on anyone that has used these products, and we always do our homework and testing before we start any new service but just starting the ball rolling on informing myself.

thx

shane

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Fred Hueston <fhueston@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree with John stay away from HF

 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:07 PM, John Freitag <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:

Shane,

 

I would stay away from the Hydrofluoric  acids, these are dangerous chemicals and if this get on your shin it will burn ,  but even more it can and will attack your bones. If you use it be sure to protect yourself. There are products on the market that are not hydrofluoric. Stonecare Central has one and Grout perfect has one both are much safer than the Hydrofluoric. If you decide to use it make sure you have full protection for yourself and your technicians and if there is ANY stainless steel in the home you MUST protect it.

 

 

John E. Freitag

President/Director

The Stone and Tile School

Office 407-567-7652

Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

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www.thestoneandtileschool.com

 

 

 

From: Shane Chow [mailto:shane@loveyourstone.com]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:24 AM
To: Restoration and Maintenance


Subject: [sccpartners] anti slip treatment?

 

hello all,



i got a call today asking for us to apply an anti slip treatment to ceramic tile using a hydrofloric acid product does anyone have any experience with this, i did not know their was such a thing out their this customer has done a little research and was asking some questions about it,

thanks for all the good forum discussions

shane



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www.stoneandtilepros.com
Recommended stone care products  http://www.stonecarecentral.com/?Click=2149

Many of my informational articles can be found at www.stoneandtilepros.com


Listen to my radio show at www.blogtalkradio.com/drfred

The Ultimate Stain Remover  www.GoDrFred.com

 

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