Since everyone has contributed I thought I should not be left out. Look at Nu-Safe web site. I used it once at a commercial site on the customer&#39;s demand that I do something on their terrazzo floor. It was not needed, had done a test for them, but they insisted. I do not remember the chemical recipe but maybe this will help.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Mike Marsoun <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a target="_top" href="mailto:nulifesc@bigpond.com">nulifesc@bigpond.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">I have found it to be quite different from a practical standpoint. I once got hydroflouric on my skin and spent 4 days in the hospital. Never used it again. Then used abf for 9 years, almost every week working in Hawaii, shorts, thongs, never gloves, got it on my skin hundreds of times and never felt a thing. So they are VERY different in regards to safety. I do suggest using a respirator when indoors. <div class="im">
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</div><div><b>Date: </b>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:44:30 -0500</div><div class="im"><div><b>To: </b>Restoration and Maintenance&lt;<a target="_top" href="mailto:sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com" target="_blank">sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com</a>&gt;</div>
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</div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><b>Subject: </b>RE: [sccpartners] anti slip treatment?</div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Is the granite honed or polished???</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If the stone is polished applying an acid to the granite will affect the shine. If the surface is honed then their will be no change in the finish. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Why does the customer want the slip resist ?? are they concerned about the slip ? has anyone actually measure the slip on the stone using a slip tester or is someone sliding their foot across the floor and stating the floor is slippery?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The only way to measure the slip is the use of a slip tester.  A polished stone that is cleaned properly will meet the slip standards.   Manny companies try to sell customer that the floor have to meet a slip testing of .60 or greater. This is true on handicap ramps and does not apply to the walking surfaces. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Unless the slip has changed recently the standard for non handicap surfaces was .50  </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Again the only way to measure is to use a slip tester. The slip testers are available from StoneCare Central </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Many time commercial customer thing their floors are slippery when really the only problem is the floors are not being cleaned properly. If there is construction in a building on the 40<sup>th</sup> floor can the lobby be slippery from the construction ??? the answer is Yes , as the elevators travel up and down the elevator pull the dust and dirt with it the door open and you have a light dusting on the floor and now you have a slippery floor.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">When working with customer, before using anti- slip products ask the customer why they want to apply the anti slip. It may be they have been missed informed. So why destroy the beauty of a floor when a simple cleaning and or polishing would work. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Oh, by the way if you repolish a granite floor using a crystallizer it will improve the slip resistance.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The key to a safe floor is the proper maintenance using the proper cleaning chemicals and walk off mats</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: &quot;Cataneo BT&quot;; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">John E. Freitag </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">President/Director</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The Stone and Tile School</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Office 407-567-7652</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cell 407-615-0134</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a target="_top" href="http://jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com" target="_blank"><span style="color: blue;">jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com</span></a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">   </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Paul Bunis [mailto:<a target="_top" href="mailto:pbunis@aol.com" target="_blank">pbunis@aol.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 26, 2011 12:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Restoration and Maintenance<br><b>Cc:</b> Restoration and Maintenance<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [sccpartners] anti slip treatment?</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">I have a contract coming up to clean a granite floor and apply anti-slip. It&#39;s a honed granite surface that gets tretcherous when wet.</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Suggestions on product and process ??<br>Sent from my iPhone</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>On Feb 26, 2011, at 2:04 AM, &lt;<a target="_top" href="mailto:stephen@newlifemarblerestoration.com" target="_blank">stephen@newlifemarblerestoration.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Ammonium bi Floride will etch ceramic glaze.  test it on a scrap pièce of tile. and have them sign off on it. </span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Stephen Webb</span></p></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color black; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt;">
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">----- Original Message ----- </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a target="_top" href="mailto:shane@loveyourstone.com" title="shane@loveyourstone.com" target="_blank">Shane Chow</a> </span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">To:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a target="_top" href="mailto:sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com" title="sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com" target="_blank">Restoration and Maintenance</a> </span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Friday, February 25, 2011 4:28 PM</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> RE: [sccpartners] anti slip treatment?</span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">i never practice on a customers property unless their is no other way, and im not sure why he wants to use hydrofloric and i am aware that it is dangerous to use and be around, but back to the question has anyone ever used the anti slip acid products and with what results, was it profitable or not worth the time this property has 11,000 sq ft of tile to do so i am interested in feed back on anyone that has used these products, and we always do our homework and testing before we start any new service but just starting the ball rolling on informing myself.<br>
<br>thx<br><br>shane</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Fred Hueston &lt;<a target="_top" href="mailto:fhueston@gmail.com" target="_blank">fhueston@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p><p class="MsoNormal">I agree with John stay away from HF </p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:07 PM, John Freitag &lt;<a target="_top" href="mailto:jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com" target="_blank">jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Shane,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I would stay away from the Hydrofluoric  acids, these are dangerous chemicals and if this get on your shin it will burn ,  but even more it can and will attack your bones. If you use it be sure to protect yourself. There are products on the market that are not hydrofluoric. Stonecare Central has one and Grout perfect has one both are much safer than the Hydrofluoric. If you decide to use it make sure you have full protection for yourself and your technicians and if there is ANY stainless steel in the home you MUST protect it. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: &quot;Cataneo BT&quot;; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">John E. Freitag </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">President/Director</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The Stone and Tile School</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Office 407-567-7652</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> Shane Chow [mailto:<a target="_top" href="mailto:shane@loveyourstone.com" target="_blank">shane@loveyourstone.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 25, 2011 11:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Restoration and Maintenance</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><b>Subject:</b> [sccpartners] anti slip treatment?</p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">hello all,</p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<br><br>i got a call today asking for us to apply an anti slip treatment to ceramic tile using a hydrofloric acid product does anyone have any experience with this, i did not know their was such a thing out their this customer has done a little research and was asking some questions about it, <br>
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