I think the samich machine has some advantages on counter tops and guys who use them rave about less operator fatigue.
I haven't used one but I have been told by several users the productivity on counter tops is quite good which seems to make sense. You still have to finish either polishing or honing.
Not sure if you can hone with it but I guess if you enclosed it in a garbage bag wrap you probably could. As far as the bathrooms I don't think you would save much time. We always hone and polish behind the bowl and tight spots with the makitas-then we do anywhere from one to three cuts(depending on stone,condition and desired finish) and a run of a fiber pad to knock out any frames if needed. Where we make up time is in small bathrooms where we can polish or hone after 220g. We also use our floor machine on counter top matte finishes and sometimes for polishing.--
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:30 PM, <flooramor@aim.com> wrote:
Ken,
It is my understanding that you can't powder polish unless it is a slower mono-rotary machine. Which is the reason, I suppose, that Klindex Levighator comes with a normal 17" pad holder. You swap out the Planetario attachment and use the single pad holder.
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From: "Mike Marsoun" <nulifesc@bigpond.com>Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:23:20 +0000To: Restoration and Maintenance<sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>ReplyTo: "Restoration and Maintenance" <sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>Subject: RE: [sccpartners] speed, pricing and timeThe Klindex Hercules is a great machine and variable speed but 160 kilos can be a chore to transport. That small one is on my wishlist also. Look into Samich to compare price. It is the same.Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra
From: "Propartner / MarblePerfect" <propartner@marbleperfect.com>Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:39:06 -0400To: Restoration and Maintenance<sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>ReplyTo: "Restoration and Maintenance" <sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>Subject: RE: [sccpartners] speed, pricing and timeHi
I have been doing some thinking about speed pricing and time and thought.getting a samich 12 inch 3 headed machine to do counters
And small bathroom floors. The machine rotates at 1000 rpm can hone and supposed to be able to polish too
Sounds like there is a big speed difference in the industry. I use a 175 rpm swing machine hawk XHD seems to have all
The power needed to do stone and concrete. But 175 is not very fast. Also have a 400 rpm 3 headed Cimex machine
For commercial work or larger jobs, definitely processes faster than the 175 hawk. Cimex makes a diamond finisher model that’s 880 rpm
So the question I am posing to all partners is will the 1000 rpm machine speed things up enough to pay for a 3500 dollar machine.
It takes about four hours to do a small bath floor 40 sq ft 200, 400, diamonds 800 honing powder and then polish,
If there isn’t any lippage and we don’t get picture frames we skip the honing powder. that 4 HRS includes transporting
everything in from the truck setting up protective plastic and taping and drop cloths setting up the floor machine, doing the areas that the floor
machine wont fit in so we use the Makita or Milwalkee hand machine and when finished reload the truck get paid and go to the next job.
When clients want 3 bathroom floors done it takes me 2 days to do it. Or a day and a half.
Do you think I should be able to 3 in one day with the faster machine
Would appreciate anyones thoughts on this
Thanks
KEN DE MELIS
MARBLE PERFECT
From: Paul Bunis [mailto:pbunis@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:31 PM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Cc: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] diamond container
Nice Box !!!
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On Aug 2, 2011, at 10:44 AM, "Lagana Tile" <glagana@comcast.net> wrote:This has worked well for me. They stay nice and flat. Picked up this case at home depot.
From: Fred Hueston [mailto:fhueston@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:24 AM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] diamond container
Putting them in a plastic bag will also allow them to accumulate mold and mildew as well. I like Johns ideas. If you must put them in a bag , than use a mesh bag thats breathable.
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:16 AM, John Freitag <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:
Stuart .
Plastic bags are not the best way to store or carry you diamonds. The plastic never allows the Velcro on the to dry and will shorten the life of the Velcro.
There are several ways to handle you diamonds,
1. Have a tool box set up for you floor diamond and your hand diamond pads.
2. Place you diamond pads in an open plastic container and place them on a shelf in your truck.
3. Use a wire or a plastic strip slide you diamond onto the wire or plastic and hand them on set them on a shelf in your truck .
I prefer to have and open plastic container and place my diamond into these containers then take my container into the job site. If you have guys that loose things then I recommend giving the technician a tool box with the diamond in them and if he loses them he replaces them
From: Stuart Young [mailto:santafefc@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:57 AM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: [sccpartners] diamond container
Gentlemen,
Up till now, I have been storing and transporting my diamond pads in plastic bags. This system leaves a lot to be desired. Do any of you have a good system for storing and transporting your diamond pads?
Stuart Young
Santa Fe Floor care
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From: flooramor@aim.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:59 AM
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Kitchen Top !
John,
Do you mean either step 3 OR 4 or both 3 AND 4?Sent from a smartphone.
From: "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:57:17 -0400
To: Restoration and Maintenance<sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>
ReplyTo: "Restoration and Maintenance" <sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Kitchen Top !
Roger,
If you want to bring a great shine to a serpentine stone there are a couple of ways to achieve this.
1. Hone it if there is damage up to 800 or 1800
2. Then use 5X and crystallize it
3. Use dark granite polishing powders and a crystallizer and wet the powder with the crystallizer using a steel wool pad #1 and polish the powder into the stone. once all the powder is polished into the stone, flip your pad over and kiss then add a little more crystallizer and you will have a great shine and finish.
4. Use MB 20 polish.,
1 feel you will achieve the best result using the granite polishing powder and the crystallizer.
John E. Freitag
President/Director
The Stone and Tile School
Office 407-567-7652
Cell 407-615-0134
jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com
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From: Micah [mailto:micahgautier@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 11:03 PM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Kitchen Top !
What's ur question? Are u concerned that the mb 20 is not as good of a solution as if u honed the top? What is the client looking for? This would be a factor
Micah
On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Devin Vance <classicmarblemail@gmail.com> wrote:It's how you set your standards higher than your competitors that sets you apart. Always do the right thing to the best of YOUR capabilities. Who cares what anyone else is doing if you can sleep with a clear conscience.
Devin Vance
Classic Marble Restoration, Inc.
954-815-8023; classicmarblemail@gmail.com
www.classicmarblerestoration.comOn Aug 1, 2011 8:35 PM, "Roger Konarski" <qm144@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have a large kitchen counter top to service, the top is serpatene. I have MB 20 – which gave favorable results. My question, would I be doing my client a disservice if we honed and Crystallize the top. Because I have someone I can send who can get the job done. I feel guilty about doing it that way, but how would most of my competitors handle the stone.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Roger Konarski
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