Im with you I test stuff all the time usually in the garage if I like it we will try it on a job see how it works ask the guys what they thought weigh the pros and cons and see if it has a place in the tool box.
 
Sealer has always been the most expensive supply but you can't argue the fact that it works plain and simple (when applied correct of course and on a stone that will actually take a sealer,but that is a whole other debate that i won't open up now...to seal or not to seal maybe that will be my morning post tomorrow...hummm
 
Have a good week everyone $$$$$

--- On Wed, 1/28/09, Marble Maestro <777-7797@videotron.ca> wrote:
From: Marble Maestro <777-7797@videotron.ca>
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Unfilled tumbled Marble
To: "Restoration and Maintenance" <sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:51 PM

I use Bullet proof From Stone tech Dupont and like your sealer I need 2 gallons for a full 1500 sqft coverage.  My sealer in the US seems to be sold at between 100 and 160$ US, but by the time it crosses the border we are much stricter with our laws, and it arrives at 210$ cdn.  And my explanation was off I meant 400$ for the gallons needed, so we are close to the same amount.

 

I don’t know if by paying more expensive is better! Can’t answer that one, all my questions I answer by testing.  I just purchased a new sealer which we are testing that has NANO technology. That one im looking at my bill right now and its 55$ FOR 50 mil’s

 

But I think I’m heading off the question,

 

 

 

Anthony Masecchia

Master Stone Consultant

 

www.777-7797.com

 

From: rod medel [mailto:rodsuperiorstone@yahoo.com]
Sent: January 29, 2009 12:12 AM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Unfilled tumbled Marble

 

I use either Stone Pro- Pro Sealer, Ultimate Pro or Porus Pro www.stoneproonline.com

and I stand behind all of these products and have never had an issues with either one of them I pay around 90.00 for the Pro Sealer and $110.00 for the Ultimate Pro................

 

But my question is this why pay 200 or 400 for sealer is it better because it's more expensive?

 

To me price means nothing only quality time and results period.Mb's diamonds are twice as expensive as I could get the Stone pro diamonds or many others but mb's provide more clarity in a faster time so I use them period.

 

Same with the Sealers or any other products I use, my purchases are based upon quality,time and results which products deliver is what is in the van....

 

MB-12 could cost 30$ a lb instead or $10 and I would still use it not just because then I could say I use the most expensive powder on the market..........But because it is Superior

 

No the sealer I would use for that tumbled marble would not be water based.

 

Are you saying a solvent based or something other than water based could not be used in the same day as the cleaning?

 

Saltillo is the only thing that I have ever found that needed longer than a few hours if drying time with a fan on it.Saltillo we will give at least 24 hrs before putting somethinfg topical on it.

 

Marble travertine slate limestone there is no reason these stones can't be sealed after a cleaning the same day........that is MHOP of course

--- On Wed, 1/28/09, Marble Maestro <777-7797@videotron.ca> wrote:

From: Marble Maestro <777-7797@videotron.ca>
Subject: [sccpartners] Unfilled tumbled Marble
To: "Restoration and Maintenance" <sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 8:44 PM

Rod, it seems that your sealer is still much less expensive than what I use. If you use 300$ of supplies I’m supposing you are using a +/-200$ of sealer. And since you are doing it the same day, im guessing its water base. Can I ask what quality water base sealer do you use in San Diego ?

 

Anthony Masecchia

 

www.777-7797.com

 

From: rod medel [mailto:rodsuperiorstone@yahoo.com]
Sent: January 28, 2009 11:05 PM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Unfilled tumbled Marble

 

Pricing is something that is hard to calculate for someone else not knowing your experience and market.

 In this case 1500 ft clean and seal me and my guy can do that in 8 hrs even with prep and if you use a splash gaurd the only thing that should need blue tape,red tape and plastic is wood, carpet and stainless steel.

 

Keep in mind we don't use a truckmount either we use a 500 psi portable a swing machine 1 gallon of cleaner one gallon of sealer some hogs hair pads some grout brushes

 

Your cost should not be very much to do this job I am not sure what type of selaer is $400 pr gallon but I am glad I don't use it.

 

So for 1500 ft aroud $1.00 pr ft would be profitable for us $1,500 $300.00 in supplies you still hit your mark of $1,200 pr day which is what a 2 man team should strive for at least.

 

Keep it simple i mean we would all love to make 3.00 pr ft to clean and seal and if you can great but at 1500 ft x 3 $4,500 to clean and seal??I can't charge that here I will get out bid every time..............Now when it comes to restoration diamonds grinding honing polishing etc I will set my mark and know that coit stanley steamer and the chains that are now getting into stone can't compete with my SERVICE

 

But a clean and seal for $4,500 will never happen not now not with as many carpet chains running adds for tile and stone cleaning and sealing.......At least not in San Diego

--- On Wed, 1/28/09, Marble Maestro <777-7797@videotron.ca> wrote:

From: Marble Maestro <777-7797@videotron.ca>
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Unfilled tumbled Marble
To: "Restoration and Maintenance" <sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 4:18 PM

In our markets Canada , I would charge about 3$ a foot 2$ minimum.

 

But it really, again depends on what your cleaning method is and what sealer you will be using, I have sealer I pay 400$ a gallon while others are 1000$

 

My advice is if your alone or with a helper, don’t undercharge, you have to survive on the profit of your own salary.

 

If you have employees and you don’t want their paycheck to chew up on your salary then it’s a whole different ball game.

 

Under 1000$ a day per team, you will never make it.

 

But again

 

That’s here!

 

Anthony Masecchia

Master Stone Consultant 

www.777-7797.com

 

From: fhueston@gmail.com [mailto:fhueston@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Dr Fred
Sent: January 28, 2009 12:52 PM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Unfilled tumbled Marble

 

Tony

 

In my experience a job like this would go for around a dollar a square foot but you are better calculating by the number of man hours. If your looking at 32 hours of work, multiply that times what you would want  per hour.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Tony StoneBrite <tony@stonebritechicago.com> wrote:

I have a job I need to bid.Its a simple clean and seal of about 1500 sq. ft. of unfilled tumbled marble on the first floor of a home.Its pretty dirty and I need to do alot of prep work.I know we all live in different markets but I am trying to see what is the best way to bid.By the foot {how much}or by the day.I think it might take about 3 days ,2 guys. I look forward to reading your responses.

Thank You in advance.

Tony   StoneBrite Chicago

Have A Great Day 

Tony DiBartolo




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