I prefer the knife grade

John E Freitag

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From: Baird Standish [mailto:bairdstandish@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:28 PM
To: Restoration and Maintenance
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Rescuing a marble floor polishing job with bad

By the way, do you all like to use knife grade or flowing epoxy for floor?  I have tried flowing a few times but it seems the shrinkage issue is a problem and you can't build it up.

On Friday, July 13, 2012, Randy Frye <rfrye@comcast.net> wrote:
> Sound like you got it covered. Good luck
>
> Sent from  Randy Frye at Cleaning Edge 
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Baird Standish <bairdstandish@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Randy. I did a test today and kind of over did it in the over-fill. I will try the tape method next time. In any event, I agree with setting the expectation levels. When they first told me what they wanted I told them it would be impossible, but we are still talking. I have a faux marble guy coming in to see about blending some of the bigger patches including a huge concrete patch.
> B
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> PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBERS.  THE OLD NUMBERS WILL WORK FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
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> From the desk of
> Baird Standish
> Managing Partner
> Facility Specialists, LLC
> 15 West Highland Ave.
> Philadelphia, PA 191118
> Phone: 267-331-5369
> Fax: 267-331-5771
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Randy Frye <rfrye@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Mr. Baird
> Sorry away from the forum a while.
> First step is in Keeping the perfect result expectation low with your client, and try to exceed it. Cause in the sunlight you may still see some indentions and fills will refract light differently they need to understand that.
>
> Q: Can the grout be mixed with marble dust to get a good color match?
> A: I am not sure, so I would pick a color of un-sanded grout that matches your color you prefer.You would hate to think if it messed up some how, could of the marble dust compromised it in any way. (Mixing grout = important to mix it let it set about 10 minutes then use it. Don't ever re-add water to it.). 
> Q:  If the current patches are flush with the surface or just below the surface and I scratch up with a 120 Metal diamond, will the new epoxy or grout bond well to the old stuff If the application is very thin?
> A: I would think not. Unless you drill them out. But it does give hope that some will adhere. Thats why you set the expectation of the client based mostly on your question. See below conversation to explain better. 
> Client conversation is like this: This is a problem when the floor has these situations of the slightly settled fills. Most fills settle a little. We will do our best to over come these issues, and stay with in your budget. But keeping a reasonable budget in mind chances are there will be some of the problem remaining but much better. To fix it the best would be very expensive and time consuming. We would need to drill out most of these and them float the floor with epoxies and un-sanded grout. It may need done twice during the process needing a 12 hr cure time at least, between floatings. Being that said we will do our best and stay with in your budget.
> Q: I'm wondering how much of the old epoxy needs to be pulled out to get a good bond?
> A: I would use a dermal with a grout bit or something similar. Drill some wide hole straight into the fills so your epoxy can run into those and remove about 10% off the top. ( use a tongue depressor and really work the epoxy in the holes, it likes to have issues with air pockets). Note: --->If you want some of the epoxy fills built a little higher, surround the holes to the edges with a strip of painters tape, fill to the top of that. When you remove the tape it will leave the fill just a spec high so you can cut it flush with your diamond work.
> Have fun
> Randy
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> On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Baird Standish wrote:
>
> Hi Randy. Can the grout be mixed with marble dust to get a good color match? Also, if the current patches are flush with the surface or just below the surface and I scratch up with a 120 diamond, will the new epoxy or grout bond well to the old stuff If the application is very thin?  I'm wondering how much of the old epoxy needs to be pulled out to get a good bond.
> B
> On Friday, July 13, 2012, Rand

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PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBERS.  THE OLD NUMBERS WILL WORK FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
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From the desk of
Baird Standish
Managing Partner
Facility Specialists, LLC
15 West Highland Ave.
Philadelphia, PA 191118
Phone: 267-331-5369
Fax: 267-331-5771

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