To: "Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support" <
sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>
Subject: [sccpartners] Cutting Lippage
Date: Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:35 am
So if you were presented with this particular floor now, a wavy
reflection, and a customer that wanted a mirror image straight reflection,
is there no way to correct this shy of replacement? Just want to know on
future lippage jobs how to set customer expectations.
Eric Lewis, Technical Mgr
DirtyGroutGuys.com
West Chester, PA 19380
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:07 AM, stuart rosen <
mail@stoneshine.com> wrote:
> Eric-I think it was the time you spent on the first cut and possibly the
> technique of how you moved the machine. The reflection looks a bit fuzzy(I
> cant find my glasses though). I know that you put your heart and soul into
> this floor and broke your butt on it. You stuck with it and finished the
> job-with a happy satisfied customer that wont trip on their own floor.You
> learned a boatload to boot-Builds character which you seem to have no
> shortage of-congratulations!! Dont worry your next grinding job will be
> much smoother and less wavy!
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Eric - DGG <
eric@dirtygroutguys.com>wrote:
>
>> Understand, this floor was brand new when we got there. Each tile was
>> factory flat. It's just that the tiles weren't level. Am I to understand
>> that we have no way of taking a floor like this to a straight mirror image?
>>
>>
>> Eric Lewis, Technical Mgr
>> DirtyGroutGuys.com
>> West Chester, PA 19380
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:58 PM, J. Palacio <
flooramor@aim.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Could be rounded edges or dips in the floor.
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>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Eric - DGG <
eric@dirtygroutguys.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>> Hard to show, but maybe this pic:
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http://goo.gl/WV6mM>>>
>>> In that bottom left tile with reflection, you might be able to make
>>> it out. Those should be straight lines.
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2012 12:30 PM, "J. Palacio" <
flooramor@aim.com> wrote:
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>>>> Any pictures?
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>>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Eric - DGG <
eric@dirtygroutguys.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> Well, we finished the job. The customer's happy. No lippage, and it
>>>> shines. I appreciate all the help from you guys.
>>>>
>>>> But I would be embarrassed to show it to you.
>>>>
>>>> I understand all the mistakes we made, and how to correct, except
>>>> for one. The floor's reflection looks like a carnival funhouse mirror. The
>>>> waves cover the whole floor, so are independent of the changes we made in
>>>> process. In fact, there are up to three waves within the space of a single
>>>> 18" tile. And of course, you don't find this out until the very last step.
>>>>
>>>> What causes this? And more importantly, how do you prevent and/or
>>>> correct?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2012 12:37 PM, "John Freitag" <
>>>>
jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:
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>>>> > Eric,
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>>>> > I agree with Stu a polyester fill will work and hold better and give
>>>> a better result if you are polishing the floor.
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>>>> > John E Freitag
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>>>> > Director
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>>>> > The Stone & Tile School
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www.thestoneandtileschool.com>>>> >
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>>>> > From:
rosen.stuart@gmail.com [mailto:
rosen.stuart@gmail.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of stuart rosen
>>>> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:47 AM
>>>> >
>>>> > To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
>>>> > Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Cutting Lippage
>>>> >
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>>>> > Filling with polyester may be a better choice.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jul 19, 2012 10:07 AM, "Eric - DGG" <
eric@dirtygroutguys.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> > John, I'm using Tenax Travertine Filler 3G.
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>>>> > On Jul 19, 2012 9:46 AM, "John Freitag" <
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jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:
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>>>> > Eric .
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>>>> > I would not fill the hole the second time until I was completed done
>>>> with my 220 hone. Filling at a 120 you could still pull out some of the
>>>> fill while doing the 220 .
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>>>> > What are you filling the holes with ?
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>>>> > John E Freitag
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>>>> > Director
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>>>> > The Stone & Tile School
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>>>> > Office
407-567-7652>>>> >
>>>> > Cell
407-615-0134
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jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com>>>> >
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www.thestoneandtileschool.com>>>> >
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>>>> > From:
subewl@gmail.com [mailto:
subewl@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Eric -
>>>> DGG
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:52 PM
>>>> > To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
>>>> > Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Cutting Lippage
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Stu, while our other machine ground the living room at a 40 grit,
>>>> I started in on the dining room with the 100 metal. Completed that and got
>>>> halfway through with the 50 resin before it caught on the large whole.
>>>> Using these resins:
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http://www.stonecarecentralpro.com/TX3_Triple_Thick_Diamond_Pads_p/m3-tx.htm>>>> >
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>>>> > So I patched those holes & will get started again in the morning.
>>>> I'll patch again after my 120 resin.
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>>>> >
>>>> > Eric Lewis, Technical Mgr
>>>> >
>>>> > DirtyGroutGuys.com
>>>> > West Chester, PA 19380
>>>> >
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>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:29 PM, stuart rosen <
mail@stoneshine.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I saw some of the holes in your pics-did you finish the second cut.
>>>> >
>>>> > what type of pads-can you place a riser under the pad that may help-
>>>> >
>>>> > you could fill some of the larger ones but its kinda early as your
>>>> main concern is to ready the floor for the resins and make sure the scratch
>>>> patterns are were you want them.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Eric - DGG <
eric@dirtygroutguys.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Turns out the holes I opened are so large that they ripped off
>>>> chunks of my 50 resins. Looks like I'll have to stop here & fill.
>>>> >
>>>> > Any problems with that?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jul 18, 2012 3:13 PM, "SubEWL" <
subewl@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Turns out the holes I opened are so large that they ripped off
>>>> chunks of my 50 resins. Looks like I'll have to stop here & fill.
>>>> >
>>>> > Any problems with that?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jul 18, 2012 12:54 PM, "stuart rosen" <
mail@stoneshine.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Good for you guys-you still have a ways to go. Stay off those walls
>>>> to leave room to feather the following cuts. Get thru this first cut and
>>>> reassess the floor before starting the second cut.
>>>> >
>>>> > We can probably find a few more things you can change as you go.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:42 AM,
Paul@dirtygroutguys.com <
>>>>
paul@dirtygroutguys.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > The first good news I have heard in a long time. It must be a relief.
>>>> >
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>>>> > On Jul 18, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Eric - DGG wrote:
>>>> >
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>>>> > Well, the combination of the new pad drivers & switching to 4
>>>> diamonds from 5 has served to reduce our cutting times by almost half. The
>>>> driver definitely holds the diamonds better. Nothing has moved. Easy to see
>>>> the change in the slurry as we're cutting better.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jul 17, 2012 7:31 PM, "stuart rosen" <
mail@stoneshine.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I think the tulips(from scc) would be a better choice-super abrasive
>>>> makes a great metal diamond also. Gran quartz has surface pro which we use
>>>> often as it comes in a 70 metal followed by a 120 copper reducing the
>>>> scratch patterns nicely.
>>>> >
>>>> > I shouldn't say the brazed diamonds suck as I only used them years
>>>> ago and didn't have good experiences with them.
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe I was using them incorrectly-the fact is in your case that it
>>>> shouldn't take this long to knock this floor down.
>>>> >
>>>> > I think if you switch out the diamonds you may get better results.
>>>> >
>>>> > It could be that you are getting a blanket of slurry under the pad
>>>> driver significantly reducing the pressure on the diamonds.
>>>> >
>>>> > There is something impeding your progress so you have to be proactive
>>>> and change something.
>>>> >
>>>> > I dont think that crema crappacino stuff can be that hard of a stone.
>>>> It could be but I tend to think it is more of a cheaper marble as it is
>>>> sold at many outlet type places. I would bet a dollar it comes from china.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Eric - DGG <
eric@dirtygroutguys.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hey Stu, just got home. You mean like these?
>>>> >
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http://www.stonecarecentralpro.com/Magnum_Concrete_Grinding_Pad_p/mag.htm>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I mean, besides their spelling sinter incorrectly. These look even
>>>> more aggressive than what we have. Here's video of how we're cutting now:
>>>> >
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http://goo.gl/ZEXNj>>>> >
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>>>> > At this point I've got Velcro drivers coming in the morning. I'll
>>>> first try with our existing diamonds and go from there. The learning never
>>>> stops.
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Eric Lewis, Technical Mgr
>>>> >
>>>> > DirtyGroutGuys.com
>>>> > West Chester, PA 19380
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:58 PM, stuart rosen <
mail@stoneshine.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >