Hello Dayron,
That's great-yes we have seen some pads from here and Italy that do work well and were impressive.
There were some pads at Atlanta that worked pretty well, cant remember their name though.
The testing that we did showed us that we could use the pads we tested for certain applications producing nice uniform medium and high hone surfaces. With vortex pads(not their dot pads just the DI's) we found in conjunction with resin diamonds we could produce very nice high honed finishes. On epoxy terrazzo the vortex in conjunction with resin diamonds gave us pretty uniform polished surfaces.
So far the side by side testing we have done showed that most DI pad systems while good didn't produce the clarity and depth of color we achieved with hot polishes.
I know John will test them to his standards and let us know the results.
 
 
 
 


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Dayron Padilla <dayron@perfectmarblefloors.com> wrote:
Stu, I can testify with the 11000 grit pad the shine is incredible, better than factory on most soft moderate dense stones have not tried on the harder ones




On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM, stuart rosen <mail@stoneshine.com> wrote:
That is exciting-I wasn't aware John was going to be taking on the training of the cheetah system exclusively for the east coast.
I would still like to hear Johns take on the product-I am interested in the comparison between this new technology and more traditional methods.
Refinishing on site we always strive to replicate or surpass a factory finish. With polishing Powders it can be achieved or in many cases surpassed.
We must know prior to the start of a job that the results are predictable.
For me and many others who use variable techniques and products its about time and results.
 


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Dana Kothrade <dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com> wrote:
I spoke with John yesterday. Sounds like he's having a ton of fun testing the New Cheetah Pucks. We are very excited to have John Freitag taking on training the Cheetah system on the east coast at The Stone and Tile School. 


Respectfully,

Dana Kothrade
CEO/Director of R&D
Innovative Surface Solutions

On Jul 16, 2013, at 1:14 PM, stuart rosen <mail@stoneshine.com> wrote:

Well noted Dana
New tools and.techniques are always good.
I agree that no tool or product is a covers every job a stone refinisher will run into.
Was curious to what johns  testing showed.

On Jul 12, 2013 12:10 AM, "Dana Kothrade" <dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com> wrote:
On moderately hard to hard stones if used properly, by the time you're done with Cheetah Puck Step-4 the picture frames are nearly invisible since the highs are nearly as glossy as the lows (picture frames). Polishing with the 11,000 grit Monkey Pad blends and polishes the whole surface uniformly. We've designed everything with picture framing in mind with the help of dozens of beta testers of varying experience levels. This collaboration has proven invaluable and is partially responsible for the incredible breakthroughs we've been able to make with this new system. Are Cheetah Pucks the end all miracle for everyone on every stone job? No but to do 8-10 steps in 4 while achieving improved clarity and gloss can't be a bad thing right??? They're just another tool in your arsenal. 

We started mass production this week. Please be patient we've got 28 countries all trying to get the pucks ASAP.  

Respectfully,

Dana Kothrade
CEO/Director of R&D
Innovative Surface Solutions

On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:28 PM, "Mike Marsoun" <nulifesc@bigpond.com> wrote:

So the 11,000removes the framing,. THats amazing. Cant wait to try them out.

 

 

From: Dana Kothrade [mailto:dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com]
Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2013 3:42 AM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
Cc: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] [sccpartners] Re: [sccpartners] Re: [sccpart

 

Hey Mike, 

 

Great to hear from you. It has been a long time. 

 

You'll definitely notice the picture framing on step-2 since it'll be cutting the high areas dull while the picture frames (low areas) will still be glossy. This is minimized when step-3 brings the reflectivity up and all but disappears with step-4, the final blending and polishing with the 11,000 monkey pad eliminates picture framing. In severe cases of picture framing on floors with a lot of lippage it may be easier to just do step-2 and possibly step-3 then powder polish with 11,000 monkey pad. The NEW Cheetah Pucks have a steeper outer angle which helps them get tighter into the picture frames than most traditional diamond discs. 

Respectfully,

 

Dana Kothrade

CEO/Director of R&D

Innovative Surface Solutions


On Jul 9, 2013, at 6:28 PM, "Mike Marsoun" <nulifesc@bigpond.com> wrote:

Hi Dana...long time. 

 

So if you are just doing a diamond hone (no flattening) to a polish, all mechanical, I assume that would be step 2 onward (?)

 

How does this handle picture framing, if it is totally mechanical and not chemical polishing out the blend?

 

John, can you sample this? Do you have a “raw” test floor.

 

From: Dana Kothrade [mailto:dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2013 2:50 AM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
Cc: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
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We've used the pucks on many crystallized floors in Las Vegas Casinos. Step-1 was used to cut most or all of the crystallized layer before proceeding to step-2 followed by a powder polish with 11,000 grit Monkey Pad or continue with steps 3&4 followed by 11,000 grit monkey pad for polishing for a purely mechanical shine. 

Respectfully,

 

Dana Kothrade

CEO/Director of R&D

Innovative Surface Solutions


On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:24 AM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:

Removing crystallization should be no problem for theses pucks diamonds.

 

 

John E Freitag

Director

The Stone & Tile School

Office 407-567-7652

Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

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www.thestoneandtileschool.com

 

 

 

From: Ron Moore [mailto:rmoore@americanstonecare.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 10:07 AM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
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I wonder how these pucs would work removing crystalizer? Anyone else try that yet? Just curious.

Ron

On Jul 8, 2013 3:17 PM, "Dana Kothrade" <dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com> wrote:

John, 

 

The Cheetahs you have are the 23rd generation and are called Cheetah Pucks so they don't get confused with the original pad style Cheetahs. These NEW Cheetah Pucks come in 3" and 5" versions and are 15mm thick. They're HUGE. 

 

The Cheetah Pucks are a 4 step restoration system followed by a quick polishing with an 11,000 grit Monkey Pad if you want to go for a full mechanical polish. If you want to use the Cheetah Pucks with your favorite acidic polishing powder or paste, most marbles can be polished after using step 2. 

 

Here's the grit range of each Cheetah Puck

 

Step-1

Can remove lippage on soft stones, replaces 100 metal, 50,100,200,400 resin bond diamond discs. Even though they aggressively remove surface material, even step-1 shows minimal if any visible scratch pattern. 

 

Step-2

Removes moderate damage and/or preps the surface for powder polishing.  Replaces  200,400, 800,1500 resin bond diamond discs. 

 

Step-3

Removes scratch pattern from step-2 and preps the surface for powder polishing problematic marbles or before step-4 Cheetah Puck  for full mechanical polish. 

Replaces resin bond diamond discs 800,1800,3500,8000. 

 

Step-4

Final step in full mechanical restoration before final polishing with 11,000 Monkey Pad. Replaces resin bond diamond discs 1800,3500,5000,8000,10,000 and beyond. 

 

Cheetahs span multiple grits with each step by releasing abrasive material to open and close the pad face. They sense the level of surface wear/damage and start off cutting aggressively but smooth out quickly as the damage is removed. 

 

For people skilled at powder polishing, its an incredibly efficient restoration if you just do Cheetah Puck Step-2 to remove traffic wear and etching then powder polish with a 5x or similar product with an 11,000 Monkey Pad and you're done. USE LESS POWDER POLISH THAN NORMAL OR YOU'LL OVER POLISH AND ORANGE PEEL THE STONE. If this process is done correctly it happens quickly, its easy to over polish. For even better clarity on problematic marbles, follow step-2 with step-3 before powder polishing. 

 

Hope this helps. 

 

We are launching the New Cheetah Pucks this month. More pics, videos and instructions coming soon. 

 

These NEW Cheetah Pucks work on granite, marble, travertine, limestone, polished concrete, terrazzo and porcelain tile. 

 

 

Here's an after shot of the reflection of an old stained glass window where the Pucks were used to restore and polish the floors for The Queen of England before a big celebration in the UK last week. 

 

The clarity you can achieve with the new Cheetah Pucks is far beyond the original factory polish especially on difficult stones that don't like a mechanical polish or that orange peel easily. 

 

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Respectfully,

 

Dana Kothrade

CEO/Director of R&D

Innovative Surface Solutions

Office 760-738-4537


On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:53 AM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:

The pads I have are a different set up they are actual pads more like a 5 inch diamond pad.

Will be doing some testing this week.

 

 

John E Freitag

Director

The Stone & Tile School

Office 407-567-7652

Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

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www.thestoneandtileschool.com

 

 

 

From: Randy Frye [mailto:rfrye@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:42 PM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
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Pictures here, This is the site I just bought from

 

Randy Frye

 

 

 

On Jun 29, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Justin wrote:

 

John 

Can you send pics of these new pads

 

Thanks

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:20 AM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:

From what I have seen so far with these diamond this would not be a problem. Further testing will tell the story

 

 

John E Freitag

Director

The Stone & Tile School

Office 407-567-7652

Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

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www.thestoneandtileschool.com

 

 

 

 

 

From: Perfect Marble 2 [mailto:dayron.padilla13@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:39 PM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Re: [sccpartners] Re: [sccpartners] Re: [sccpart

 

Would like to try it on this project

 

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Sent by iPhone 

Dayron Padilla

Perfect Marble

 


On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:

These are new type and designed pads.

Will be doing more testing in the week to come , just received my new pads in

 

john

 

From: Justin [mailto:justin@jmcstoneandtilecare.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:25 PM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Re: [sccpartners] Re: [sccpartners] Re: [sccpart

 

You guys that are using them now what are your opinions on the pads. Why you like using them, or why you don't like them. 

Thanks

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Justin <justin@jmcstoneandtilecare.com> wrote:

I'm just curious John why the change of mind on these pads. In your class you were pretty vocal about not using the cheetah and monkey pads. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 28, 2013, at 7:02 AM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:

Currently we have these pads in our training center and have seen some of the same test Fred has seen and there are pretty unique. I just the other day received my shipment in and will be testing these pads on numerous stone including granite to see the results. Will let you know as we complete out testing and compare the result. I have been impress with what I have seen so far.

 

 

John E Freitag

Director

The Stone & Tile School

Office 407-567-7652

Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

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www.thestoneandtileschool.com

 

 

 

From: Fred Hueston [mailto:fhueston@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 3:19 PM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Re: [sccpartners] Re: [sccpartners] Re: [sccpart

 

There is also a new system out there that I just saw that is incredible, two steps on marble and three steps on black absolute. The system is Cheetah Pads 

 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:14 PM, stuart rosen <mail@stoneshine.com> wrote:

Carl-is that stone hard-or soft.

Are the hard to polish spots soft?

we get all sorts of wacky stuff to polish.

 

Hertron makes a hardening agent and a calcium product along with a crystallizer that may work without steel wool-although the steel wool gives it better results.

The products are prime grind #2 the hardner

product A which is the calcium product and product M.

I know it sounds a bit odd but it works.

If you let the stone dry out before using the M component which is the crystallizer. You may be able to use steel wool with out getting any black marks. If you do get some of those black marks a little polishing compound will take them out.

 

The Burnisher with a 11000 grit pad sounds like the easiest option however.

Have you ever used Vortex pads-they have a 4 pad system that actually works.

I mean you cant compare it to a powder polish but it may get you off the job.

 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM, cpstaples@msn.com <cpstaples@msn.com> wrote:

Will look and see if anyone rents 1

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Date: Thu, Jun 27, 2013 9:58 am

 

use an electric burnisher

 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:54 AM, cpstaples@msn.com <cpstaples@msn.com> wrote:

That's a thought but I don't know if the condo association will let me bring a burnisher in here

Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint!

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Date: Thu, Jun 27, 2013 9:39 am

 

might want to try a burnisher with a 11000 grit Monkey pad

 

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:24 AM, cpstaples@msn.com <cpstaples@msn.com> wrote:

I'm trying everything in my bag of tricks, yours and Johns, they polished it in the factory so I'm trying to get a duplication or something close to it

Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint!

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Date: Thu, Jun 27, 2013 8:52 am

 

in that case im not sure it can be polished

 

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:42 PM, cpstaples@msn.com <cpstaples@msn.com> wrote:

Not sure if you can see it in this picture, but there are white crystal spots in the tile that won't polish. I tried 5 X, granite powder wet and also ran them dry, also tried to crystallize on top. Can't get these spots to Polish. Has anybody ran across this material and any suggestions would be appreciated. I have no idea what the name of the Marble is.

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