Kevin,
First , I am not advertising training, Dana made a comment that he and I have agreed The Stone and Tile School would become the East Coast Training Center for the Cheetah system . The Stone and Tile School is an Independent training center. SCC partners will receive a discount on training should anyone want to attend. The price of the course and the number of days are still to be determined. Dana and I will be deciding on the offering next month once I meet with him in California. I am thinking we may offer a class that only teaches the use of the Cheetah System. Then there may be a class that is more detailed for those that want to learn more than just the Cheetah pad / Puck system.
As with any offering The Stone and Tile School will offer to SCC partners and post on the schools website when the class is available.
The information we are giving is to inform you as to new items entering the market.
John E Freitag
Director
The Stone & Tile School
Office 407-567-7652
Cell 407-615-0134
jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com
From: N-Motion Stone and Tile Care [mailto:klhudson@atlantastoneandtilecare.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:18 PM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
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Wow! John how much is the training? I thought this site was for partner discussion not product or supply promoting!
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On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Dana Kothrade <dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com> wrote:I spoke with John yesterday. Sounds like he's having a ton of fun testing the New Cheetah Pucks. We are very excited to have John Freitag taking on training the Cheetah system on the east coast at The Stone and Tile School.
Respectfully,
Dana Kothrade
CEO/Director of R&D
Innovative Surface Solutions
Office 760-738-4537
On Jul 16, 2013, at 1:14 PM, stuart rosen <mail@stoneshine.com> wrote:Well noted Dana
New tools and.techniques are always good.
I agree that no tool or product is a covers every job a stone refinisher will run into.
Was curious to what johns testing showed.On Jul 12, 2013 12:10 AM, "Dana Kothrade" <dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com> wrote:
On moderately hard to hard stones if used properly, by the time you're done with Cheetah Puck Step-4 the picture frames are nearly invisible since the highs are nearly as glossy as the lows (picture frames). Polishing with the 11,000 grit Monkey Pad blends and polishes the whole surface uniformly. We've designed everything with picture framing in mind with the help of dozens of beta testers of varying experience levels. This collaboration has proven invaluable and is partially responsible for the incredible breakthroughs we've been able to make with this new system. Are Cheetah Pucks the end all miracle for everyone on every stone job? No but to do 8-10 steps in 4 while achieving improved clarity and gloss can't be a bad thing right??? They're just another tool in your arsenal.
We started mass production this week. Please be patient we've got 28 countries all trying to get the pucks ASAP.
Respectfully,
Dana Kothrade
CEO/Director of R&D
Innovative Surface Solutions
Office 760-738-4537
On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:28 PM, "Mike Marsoun" <nulifesc@bigpond.com> wrote:So the 11,000removes the framing,. THats amazing. Cant wait to try them out.
From: Dana Kothrade [mailto:dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com]
Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2013 3:42 AM
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Hey Mike,
Great to hear from you. It has been a long time.
You'll definitely notice the picture framing on step-2 since it'll be cutting the high areas dull while the picture frames (low areas) will still be glossy. This is minimized when step-3 brings the reflectivity up and all but disappears with step-4, the final blending and polishing with the 11,000 monkey pad eliminates picture framing. In severe cases of picture framing on floors with a lot of lippage it may be easier to just do step-2 and possibly step-3 then powder polish with 11,000 monkey pad. The NEW Cheetah Pucks have a steeper outer angle which helps them get tighter into the picture frames than most traditional diamond discs.
Respectfully,
Dana Kothrade
CEO/Director of R&D
Innovative Surface Solutions
Office 760-738-4537
On Jul 9, 2013, at 6:28 PM, "Mike Marsoun" <nulifesc@bigpond.com> wrote:Hi Dana...long time.
So if you are just doing a diamond hone (no flattening) to a polish, all mechanical, I assume that would be step 2 onward (?)
How does this handle picture framing, if it is totally mechanical and not chemical polishing out the blend?
John, can you sample this? Do you have a “raw” test floor.
From: Dana Kothrade [mailto:dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 10 July 2013 2:50 AM
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We've used the pucks on many crystallized floors in Las Vegas Casinos. Step-1 was used to cut most or all of the crystallized layer before proceeding to step-2 followed by a powder polish with 11,000 grit Monkey Pad or continue with steps 3&4 followed by 11,000 grit monkey pad for polishing for a purely mechanical shine.
Respectfully,
Dana Kothrade
CEO/Director of R&D
Innovative Surface Solutions
Office 760-738-4537
On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:24 AM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:Removing crystallization should be no problem for theses pucks diamonds.
John E Freitag
Director
The Stone & Tile School
Office 407-567-7652
Cell 407-615-0134
jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com
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From: Ron Moore [mailto:rmoore@americanstonecare.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 10:07 AM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
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I wonder how these pucs would work removing crystalizer? Anyone else try that yet? Just curious.
Ron
On Jul 8, 2013 3:17 PM, "Dana Kothrade" <dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com> wrote:
John,
The Cheetahs you have are the 23rd generation and are called Cheetah Pucks so they don't get confused with the original pad style Cheetahs. These NEW Cheetah Pucks come in 3" and 5" versions and are 15mm thick. They're HUGE.
The Cheetah Pucks are a 4 step restoration system followed by a quick polishing with an 11,000 grit Monkey Pad if you want to go for a full mechanical polish. If you want to use the Cheetah Pucks with your favorite acidic polishing powder or paste, most marbles can be polished after using step 2.
Here's the grit range of each Cheetah Puck
Step-1
Can remove lippage on soft stones, replaces 100 metal, 50,100,200,400 resin bond diamond discs. Even though they aggressively remove surface material, even step-1 shows minimal if any visible scratch pattern.
Step-2
Removes moderate damage and/or preps the surface for powder polishing. Replaces 200,400, 800,1500 resin bond diamond discs.
Step-3
Removes scratch pattern from step-2 and preps the surface for powder polishing problematic marbles or before step-4 Cheetah Puck for full mechanical polish.
Replaces resin bond diamond discs 800,1800,3500,8000.
Step-4
Final step in full mechanical restoration before final polishing with 11,000 Monkey Pad. Replaces resin bond diamond discs 1800,3500,5000,8000,10,000 and beyond.
Cheetahs span multiple grits with each step by releasing abrasive material to open and close the pad face. They sense the level of surface wear/damage and start off cutting aggressively but smooth out quickly as the damage is removed.
For people skilled at powder polishing, its an incredibly efficient restoration if you just do Cheetah Puck Step-2 to remove traffic wear and etching then powder polish with a 5x or similar product with an 11,000 Monkey Pad and you're done. USE LESS POWDER POLISH THAN NORMAL OR YOU'LL OVER POLISH AND ORANGE PEEL THE STONE. If this process is done correctly it happens quickly, its easy to over polish. For even better clarity on problematic marbles, follow step-2 with step-3 before powder polishing.
Hope this helps.
We are launching the New Cheetah Pucks this month. More pics, videos and instructions coming soon.
These NEW Cheetah Pucks work on granite, marble, travertine, limestone, polished concrete, terrazzo and porcelain tile.
Here's an after shot of the reflection of an old stained glass window where the Pucks were used to restore and polish the floors for The Queen of England before a big celebration in the UK last week.
The clarity you can achieve with the new Cheetah Pucks is far beyond the original factory polish especially on difficult stones that don't like a mechanical polish or that orange peel easily.
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On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:53 AM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:The pads I have are a different set up they are actual pads more like a 5 inch diamond pad.
Will be doing some testing this week.
John E Freitag
Director
The Stone & Tile School
Office 407-567-7652
Cell 407-615-0134
jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com
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From: Randy Frye [mailto:rfrye@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:42 PM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
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Pictures here, This is the site I just bought from
Randy Frye
On Jun 29, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Justin wrote:
John
Can you send pics of these new pads
Thanks
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On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:20 AM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:From what I have seen so far with these diamond this would not be a problem. Further testing will tell the story
John E Freitag
Director
The Stone & Tile School
Office 407-567-7652
Cell 407-615-0134
jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com
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From: Perfect Marble 2 [mailto:dayron.padilla13@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:39 PM
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Would like to try it on this project
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On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:45 PM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:These are new type and designed pads.
Will be doing more testing in the week to come , just received my new pads in
john
From: Justin [mailto:justin@jmcstoneandtilecare.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:25 PM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
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You guys that are using them now what are your opinions on the pads. Why you like using them, or why you don't like them.
Thanks
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On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Justin <justin@jmcstoneandtilecare.com> wrote:I'm just curious John why the change of mind on these pads. In your class you were pretty vocal about not using the cheetah and monkey pads.
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On Jun 28, 2013, at 7:02 AM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:Currently we have these pads in our training center and have seen some of the same test Fred has seen and there are pretty unique. I just the other day received my shipment in and will be testing these pads on numerous stone including granite to see the results. Will let you know as we complete out testing and compare the result. I have been impress with what I have seen so far.
John E Freitag
Director
The Stone & Tile School
Office 407-567-7652
Cell 407-615-0134
jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com
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From: Fred Hueston [mailto:fhueston@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 3:19 PM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
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There is also a new system out there that I just saw that is incredible, two steps on marble and three steps on black absolute. The system is Cheetah Pads
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:14 PM, stuart rosen <mail@stoneshine.com> wrote:
Carl-is that stone hard-or soft.
Are the hard to polish spots soft?
we get all sorts of wacky stuff to polish.
Hertron makes a hardening agent and a calcium product along with a crystallizer that may work without steel wool-although the steel wool gives it better results.
The products are prime grind #2 the hardner
product A which is the calcium product and product M.
I know it sounds a bit odd but it works.
If you let the stone dry out before using the M component which is the crystallizer. You may be able to use steel wool with out getting any black marks. If you do get some of those black marks a little polishing compound will take them out.
The Burnisher with a 11000 grit pad sounds like the easiest option however.
Have you ever used Vortex pads-they have a 4 pad system that actually works.
I mean you cant compare it to a powder polish but it may get you off the job.
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM, cpstaples@msn.com <cpstaples@msn.com> wrote:
Will look and see if anyone rents 1
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Date: Thu, Jun 27, 2013 9:58 am
use an electric burnisher
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:54 AM, cpstaples@msn.com <cpstaples@msn.com> wrote:
That's a thought but I don't know if the condo association will let me bring a burnisher in here
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might want to try a burnisher with a 11000 grit Monkey pad
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:24 AM, cpstaples@msn.com <cpstaples@msn.com> wrote:
I'm trying everything in my bag of tricks, yours and Johns, they polished it in the factory so I'm trying to get a duplication or something close to it
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Date: Thu, Jun 27, 2013 8:52 am
in that case im not sure it can be polished
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:42 PM, cpstaples@msn.com <cpstaples@msn.com> wrote:
Not sure if you can see it in this picture, but there are white crystal spots in the tile that won't polish. I tried 5 X, granite powder wet and also ran them dry, also tried to crystallize on top. Can't get these spots to Polish. Has anybody ran across this material and any suggestions would be appreciated. I have no idea what the name of the Marble is.
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