Thanks all for the great advice. There is no lippage because the stones are set end to end. I didn't see much abrasion because it has been kept polished. But, I did notice some long scratches where someone dragged something heavy across the floor in different places. I am also a little concerned about getting right up to the edge. The walls are the same material, which I assume will stay semi-glossy. 
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Facility Specialists, LLC
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On Oct 2, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Ron Moore <rmoore@americanstonecare.com> wrote:

Lip removal. Your absolutely right. I've used them extensively during our work in the National Archives to remove deep scratches that the 200's wouldn't budge. They come in all sizes and grits. We really love them when polishing concrete as we can go 30, 70 grit metal to begin then jump right to 100, 200 on up. They are a really good product. I don't participate alot in discussions but thought sharing this would be a benefit to all.

Cheers
Ron

On Oct 2, 2013 11:31 AM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:

Ron, why are you need to go down to a to 70 grit metal ? are you flatten the floor?

 

I have not seen floor with that amount of damage that require these low grit diamonds. If you are going to flatten a floor that’s another story but for everyday honing and polishing why the low grits?

 

 

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Director

The Stone & Tile School

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Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

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From: Ron Moore [mailto:rmoore@americanstonecare.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 11:19 AM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Flat Surface look

 

Gentleman,

Sorry I didn't take the time to look. Does SCC carry the STI line of diamond tooling? If you guys aren't familiar,  they are my favorite. Especially the 100 grit. This disc removes scratch pattern ftom 70 metal. It is one of the best consumables EVER.

Thats right. From 70 metal to 100, 200 resin. Saves lots of time. Removes surface damage much quicker and eats crystalizer up. Take a minute and google them.

Thats all. Hope everyone is well and prospering.

Ron
American Stone Care, Inc.

On Oct 2, 2013 11:07 AM, "John Freitag" <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:

It is seldom we ever start lower than a 220 grit diamond, the floor has to be in real bad condition to go any lower, if you are going below a 220 grit diamond then the floor has a 120 grit scratches running though it . I have not seen a floor needing a 120 for a long time.

Whenever you use honing powder you want to finish with 1 grit honing powder higher than the diamond you hone with. 220 powder use 400 powder.  Finish with a 400 diamond use a 800 powder this would give a high honed finish.

If the customer is looking for a matte finish ( no shine or luster ) I would go with 220 diamond to remove the damage and then 400 powder.

I sometime finish my honed floor using a product from Hertron Prime grind M with a white pad this will bring back a nice color and a great luster to the floor.

Caution, the white pad  will grab as you polish and do not apply too much polish. Work in the polish . a light mist application. Sometimes 2 light spray

 

 

John E Freitag

Director

The Stone & Tile School

Office 407-567-7652

Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

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From: rosen.stuart@gmail.com [mailto:rosen.stuart@gmail.com] On Behalf Of stuart rosen
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:30 AM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
Subject: RE: [sccpartners] Flat Surface look

 

Hey Baird,

I agree with Carl-you may not have to go as low as 50 grit depending on the hardness of the surface and the pricing.

The starting point should be based on the condition of the surface.

Whatever grit gets beneath the wear or abrasion of the surface is where you want to start.

The finish is based on the result the client wants.

 

 

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Baird Standish <bairdstandish@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Stuart.  What levels of diamonds would you use?  I am going to do a little test next week.

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From the desk of
Baird Standish
Managing Partner
Facility Specialists, LLC
15 West Highland Ave.
Suite E
Philadelphia, PA 19118
Phone: 215-732-7505
Fax: 215-546-9160
www.facspecs.com

 

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:04 AM, stuart rosen <mail@stoneshine.com> wrote:

Baird,

We always cut the floor with diamonds prior to using honing powders.

Think of breaking the surface with diamonds and removing all the surface abrasion and wear.

Then finishing with a honing powder will give you an awesome uniform finish.

We very rarely use honing powder above 280 grit.

Then seal with a color enhancing sealer.

I am sure the grout lines will need a good cleaning as well.

 

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 11:34 AM, John Freitag <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:

You should be able to go in and use a honing powder 400 grit to take off the shine. If the floor still has too much shine then use a 250 grit powder.

Make sure your customer understands that this floor will get dirty fast. The pores in the stone is now opened and will require cleanings from time to time.

Make sure the floor is sealed with an Impregnating / Penetrating sealer. If the floor is not sealed it could stain.

 

John E Freitag

Director

The Stone & Tile School

Office 407-567-7652

Cell 407-615-0134

jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com

 

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From: Baird Standish [mailto:bairdstandish@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 11:22 AM
To: Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support
Subject: [sccpartners] Flat Surface look

 

Hi.  I have a client who has asked if we would remove the gloss from an office lobby floor, leaving the floor with a completely non glossy flat honed finish.  It is a Tennessee marble. We actually did work on a floor in this building a year ago and rendered a low gloss sheen, which came out very well. We cut the floor with diamonds from 50 up to 200 and then used a combination of 5x and honing powder.  In this case I would probably do the same thing and go with just a low grit honing powder.  I also believe this floor was crystallized.  Was wondering if anyone else has had a request like this and has a good approach (what diamonds to finish with, what grit honing powder etc.?)  Thanks so much. 

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Facility Specialists, LLC
15 West Highland Ave.
Suite E
Philadelphia, PA 19118
Phone: 215-732-7505
Fax: 215-546-9160
www.facspecs.com

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