Hi Barry,

just get the vortex pads from stu rosen they are the best i have ever used
and last longer than twister, cheetah, and norton pads

Ken De Melis
Marble Perfect


On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Dana Kothrade <dana@innovativesurfacesolutions.com> wrote:
Cheetah Pads are for full restoration of marble travertine limestone terrazzo

Cheetah Pucks are the cheetah matrix but in a unique oversized 5" wide super thick configuration more suited for experienced users. These can do marble travertine limestone terrazzo concrete and even granite

Monkey pads can be used in succession for light refinishing but their main purpose is to be used as the final honing or polishing step after cheetahs. 

Cheetahs can produce an extremely deep crystal clear reflective surface but if you've used traditional diamonds and polishing compounds there are a few subtle changes in technique that'll help you get there. Cheetahs do not operate like traditional diamonds, they actually release special nano abrasive particles as needed to help say step 1 be able to cut aggressively enough to remove lippage on soft stone but leaves no visible scratch pattern that is close to 400-500 grit. This saves you as many as 5 steps just by using step 1 in place of resin diamonds 100metal-50-100-200-400 resin. These nano particles must be rinsed thoroughly or they'll wear the next step cheetah very quickly and not yield the full result of each step. 

Hope this helps. 

I'm happy to help answer questions anyone has. 

John Freitag is starting up cheetah classes at The Stone and Tile School very soon. Contact John for more info. 

Respectfully,

Dana Kothrade
CEO/Director of R&D
Innovative Surface Solutions

On Nov 15, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Randy Frye <rfrye@comcast.net> wrote:

Sorry, I don't know that answer.

On Nov 15, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Baird Standish wrote:

Hi. A couple of quick questions to refresh my memory. How is a Cheetah puck different than a Cheetah pad and why would one use one over the other?  What is the difference between Cheetah pads and Monkey pads? (we use the monkey pads a lot for hones finishes,  raw limestone and concrete touch up but don't like them for deep gloss). 


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Facility Specialists, LLC
15 West Highland Ave. Suite E
Philadelphia, PA 19118

On Nov 15, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Randy Frye <rfrye@comcast.net> wrote:

You ask about my cheetah pucks for sale:

 I paid $1,100.00 plus shipping --> sell for $650.00 plus shipping. 

You get 4 foam risers 17 inch, 4 pucks attached to each foam riser, no monkey pad included. Suggest by Innovative solutions to sell for $680.00 but I want my cheetah pad so I reduced to $650.00

Thanks
Randy, CEI

On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:15 AM, cpstaples@msn.com wrote:

How much for the entire set?

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----- Reply message -----
From: "Randy Frye" <rfrye@comcast.net>
To: "Stone and Tile PROS Technical Support" <sccpartners@stoneandtilepros.com>
Subject: [sccpartners] cheetah pucks
Date: Fri, Nov 15, 2013 10:59 am


My Puck and Pad review:

 Pucks in my experiences  we can only achieve a satin finish with those and you need to leave the puck on the foam backer - have a foam backer per step of diamonds - just leave diamonds on that backer don't remove. or the puck will break all up even if using a plastic putty knife and are careful to remove. I have a full set of pucks with backers for sale. Did three jobs with them and still look new but I don't care for them.

Cheetah pads our experience is about 40 % of the time you can achieve a high gloss if thats your goal, very nice satin finishes. We like them enough we purchased two sets so far. Keep in mind the 11000 monkey pad goes pretty fast. But we buy a stack of them and when the polishing slows we get a new 11000 monkey pad and polishing begins again.

Fun FYI:  I was told by my retailer I get my diamonds from for years - ?? Square Foot per Diamond Pad?? He mention they gather this information based on passes over the floor. Example if you are working a 1000 sqft floor and you do three passes over all areas with that set of diamonds you used 3000 sqft of the diamonds life. Like the 11,000 monkey pad I think they say its good for 5000 sqft but you do 6 or 7 passes per area on a 1,000 sqft floor. You may need 2 or 3 monkey 11,000 to complete 1000 sq ft

Hope this helps


On Nov 15, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Barry Raduta wrote:

howdy partners,
it seems that the cheetah puck dialogue has dropped off the face of the earth.  what's the latest news?  are they as good as advertised?  john, have you endorsed them?  i have a prospect getting a condo ready to sell and he has about 2000sf of travertine to be restored.  i gave him a standard proposal using several steps of resin diamond honing/ polishing etc.  because he is selling the unit, he wants the floors to look great, but not as great as if he was moving into the unit and he asked me to cut out some steps and lower the cost.  enter the cheetah pucks.  if it is true that one set of pucks accomplishes the same as several resin diamond steps, this is how I can meet the prospect's budget and my expectations for the floor.  Any comments are greatly appreciated.  Have a greaaaaaaaat day!
thanks.........barry
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Thank You,
Barry V Raduta
Diamond Stone & Tile Care-South
Stone & Tile Pros

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