If the crystallization is on the floor heavy the 400 will probably not cut off the crystallization, as you know the guys in south Florida love to crystalize heavy.

I can almost guarantee you will be called back unless you educate the customer on the problems of efflorescence. Once the floor is open and can breathe the efflorescent will come back. If the water table has risen thus causing the problem the efflorescence may always be a problem. Keeping the air conditioning on at all time will help pull the moisture out of the stone.

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From: list-manager@stoneandtilepros.simplelists.com [mailto:list-manager@stoneandtilepros.simplelists.com] On Behalf Of stuart rosen
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:48 PM
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Subject: Re: Efflorescence on Limestone

I wasn't kidding about the water table-Just heard recently that the water tables in south florida are rising and have been rising steadily.

I don't know if that's a part of the issue.The fact that the floor has been over crystalized and the efflorescence started in the past five years is suspect. I am just saying.

Will 400 grit diamonds cut though that stuff-I think you need to go deeper.

Is it worth the risk ? That's the question.

Pull a tile and see what,s going on underneath.

I like to complete jobs and not be called back.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Georgia <georgia@stonebuff.com> wrote:

apologies...I meant detail buff...typo

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Georgia <georgia@stonebuff.com> wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't crystallize at all. But I am one of those stone pros who is anti-crystallizer. I would hone it, get rid of all that crystallizer as best as possible, use AquaMix Ef-ex to clean and treat the efflorescence and hone/polish it naturally and seal with a water-based impregnating sealer. If the efflorescence is seriously bad, I would of course still get rid of that crystallizer because you need to get to the stone itself, use a careful solution of water and muratic acid, then clean it with an akaline and then a neutral cleaner, then apply a water-based impregnating sealer and detail butt with hogs hair pad. The stone needs to breath and crystallizer won't allow it to do it...plus all that moisture that is creating the efflorescence should be allowed to properly evaporate to try to help minimize it. Can't always guarantee the removal of efflorescence. But the Aqua-mix product can now be purchased from many Home Depots and we have loved it.

Just my two cents

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:58 AM, John Freitag <jfreitag@thestoneandtileschool.com> wrote:

Dayron,
If the floor just started showing signs efflorescence in the past 5 year and
the stone has been crystallized the crystallization could be blocking the
stone from breathing. This causing the moisture to collect and then push
through the crystallization. You need to hone 220 open the floor and allow
to totally dry. If for a couple of days. If you are going to polish then
polish with 5X and allow the stone to dry. It will probably effloresce
again. When it does buff off with a dry steel wool pad. The floor will
continue to effloresce until the stone and the sub straight dries totally.
There not going to be any quick cure.

John E Freitag
Director
The Stone & Tile School
Office 407-567-7652
Cell 407-615-0134
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[mailto:list-manager@stoneandtilepros.simplelists.com] On Behalf Of Dayron
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 6:57 PM
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Subject: Re: Efflorescence on Limestone

Yes Stu , but usually it will happen a yr after install this is happening
almost 5-6 yrs after install

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Dayron Padilla
Perfect Marble

> On Jul 9, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Stu Rosen <rosen.stuart@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Isnt water table high in south Florida.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 9, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Dayron <dayron@perfectmarblefloors.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Just saw a potential customer with a limestone floor. The floor was
installed 13yrs ago and didn't have any problems till about 5 yrs ago. They
noticed only a couple of areas with efflorescence. Now there is a
significant areas full of it. The floor has been crystallized every year for
12 yrs.
>>
>> They have never had a problem with a leak
>>
>> They did a demo in an area and it got worse ( guy said he used diamonds
but I doubt it, probably just crystallized )
>>
>> They had servpro go to analyze an servpro said they had some moisture in
the home ( not much in there estimate)
>>
>> We informed client we need to do a moisture test, also plastic bag test
>>
>> If moisture is present, we will do a demo in 1 room where we will cut
with 400 grit diamonds and have a dehumidifier in the room until moisture is
removed ad then we will repolish
>>
>> Have you guys ever encountered something like this and what steps did you
take. Remember no leaks and this just started 5 yrs ago
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